Interview:
Eric Ressler: You're in a sector facing a lot of political pressure. How are you thinking about this moment?
Julia Hatton: The balance of it feels like everything all the time, but also nothing has actually happened yet. The good news is we don’t receive any substantial federal funding, so we feel a lot less pressure to comply the way some nonprofits have to. The bad news is that all the work Rising Sun does — climate equity, racial equity, gender equity — is directly under attack by the administration. Our work feels very threatened.
Being a California-based nonprofit reliant on state funding, we anticipate California will have less money due to changes at the federal level. That could impact our budgets. And then there’s the impact on our program participants. If costs are increasing due to tariffs and other economic pressures, it’s going to hit low-income folks first and worst. If there are fewer job opportunities in construction, that’s bad for our graduates. If the social safety net continues to erode, that directly impacts our participants. We’re not feeling the funding pressure directly yet, but we see the downstream effects coming fast.
Eric: How are you thinking about navigating that visibility and potential exposure? Are you trying to thread the needle or double down?
Julia: Right now, since we’re not federally funded and no laws have changed, I think it’s important to stand up for what we believe in. That said, I recognize we’re in a relatively advantaged position — we don’t have federal or national visibility.
We’ve talked about the fact that this could change. There could be a time where we need to go behind the scenes more. I really don’t want that. I can’t imagine looking my staff or participants in the eye and saying we’re not going to talk about racial equity anymore. What would that mean to our staff of color? To the women in our programs? It would feel like such a betrayal.
I’d take my cue from our participants and staff — the people most impacted. But for now, there’s no reason to stop, and even more reason to keep going.
Eric: Would that calculus change if you had more exposure to federal funding?
Julia: It would be a harder conversation. I can’t say we’d reach a different conclusion, but it would be tougher. I think a lot about immigration justice nonprofits — I don’t know what I would do. You have to protect the people you serve. It’s a really tough call.